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Re: VMs: Re: Plants in the VM
A thought concerning the "biological" drawings is that they might be based
not on human entrails but on other sacrificed animals.
An interesting artifact is the "Liverscope": (6th image down on page)
I wonder if garum might be the contents of the "jars" in the middle of the
nine medallion volvelles? (f85/86)
Canopic-type jars might be another possibility:
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jan" <hurychj@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2004 4:59 PM
Subject: Re: VMs: Re: Plants in the VM
> Hello Scott,
> ======= At 2004-05-22, 14:35:00 you wrote: =======
> >I would say that the plant drawings are based in part, if not in whole,
> >on >real plants the
> characteristics of which were well known to the author of >the VMS.
> Well, I have not seen the list of Latin names for the plants in the VM
> which were 100%
> identified and I doubt if there is any - except for sunflower and some
> even doubt that. But I
> agree with you that most parts do look like those existing in reality.
> But only the PARTS - he
> problem with identification is that some of them were used for wrong
> and we cannot say with certainty: this plant is marigold and so on. Even
> Georgius Baresh noticed in his letter to Kircher that the plants are not
> from Europe; the others even claim
> they are not from this Earth :-).
> I was looking for the reason of that discrepancy and it certinly looks
> illogical that while the
> author took pain to hide the names of plants (if we consider their tags
> to be exactly that), he
> would draw next to them the real plants, as a clear giveaway. So he may
> have modify some parts,
> exchanging some of their parts with others, and sometimes even adding
> some impossible
> On the other hand, why would he draw the unrecognizable pictures at all?
> We can see he did take a
> pain - while he was surely no big painter - to draw the plants with
> clear outlines and in color!
> It almost looks like they are supposed to convey something else, but
> what it is, I do not know.
> Maybe it is some code, who knows? But it would be surely hard way how to
> pass relatively very
> little of information :-). Could it be that the author saw the plants
> somewhere and forgotten how
> they look? I guess we would be impossible to draw all those plants from
> memory only.
> So what is left? Could those be the pictures of some hybrids from
> somebody's laboratory? They do
> not look like results of some cross-breeding, however. So what is
> left - pure fantasy? True,
> but than the author must have spent many hours observing the real
> plants - most parts do look
> like real. No unskilled imagination would be able to invent them in such
> That brings another crazy idea: those ladies with "plumbing" - first I
> thought they were some
> anatomical pictures only (considering the poor knowledge of human body at
> that time, before
> regular autopsies), but they look so unreal that I changed my mind. What
> I think now is that the
> "plumbing" could be some kind of crypto-art, too.
> jan .
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Jan" <hurychj@xxxxxxxxx>
> >To: <vms-list@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> >Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2004 6:12 AM
> >Subject: VMs: Plants in the VM
> >> Hello,
> >> looking at the plants in the VM, it occured to me, that they are
> >> unrecognizable, because the author deliberately modified their
> >> appearance. Did anybody get the same impression? I do not mean that
> >> they
> >> contain the code - that would be real overkill - but in the case the
> >> book
> >> contains some secret recipes (e.g. for "Aqua Sinapia" or others) it
> >> would
> >> be foolish to hide the text and provide the exact pictures of the real
> >> plants used.
> >> Some plant parts are defnitely "out of this world", but they also look
> >> like fabrications. On the other hand, they also contain some elements
> >> of
> >> true plants, many of them recognizable, see ref.
> >> http://nabataea.net/vplants.html
> >> Best regards.
> >> Jan
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