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Re: VMs: Re: word length counts

Hi Nick,
I'll have to agree with you on this, I had an interest in the Kabbalah a few years ago and tried to concentrate on studying texts that are close to the earlier works / primary texts, I have read the first 2 volumes of the Zohar (I have the Soncino edition) as well as Luria, etc. I can't see any connection between the rosettes and agree that 10 is the important number, nine rosettes is not enough. I also fail to see any other connection in the VMS although I would not rule out that there is a connection, I just say that there is no *overt* connection.
If I was looking for a number or symbol connection I would also say - where are the 50 gates of light?
I am more sceptical about modern Kabbalah and would point out that the 22 paths on the tree are a modern invention by the Golden Dawn purely on the basis that they then map onto the 22 tarot trumps - unless I can be proved wrong of course :/

Nick Pelling <incoming@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Gordon,

>A further point: the historical approach is something of a double-edged
>sword in
>this context, because the same evidence can be taken as pointing in two
>directions - either the VMS as deriving from a tradition, or the VMS as the
>earliest example of a tradition. So, for instance, the earliest example of the
>Tree of Life is apparently from 1515, according to the interesting previous
>discussion on this topic. This means either that the VMS was composed
>substantially after the 1470-1500 date suggested by the other evidence
>but raising interesting questions), or that the VMS really is from
>1470-1500, and
>is therefore the earliest example of the Tree of Life. Hmmmm.....

Close analysis of medieval families of herbals is one area where causality
(through the mechanism of cumulative scribal errors etc) has been invoked
to powerful effect - and the same kind of analysis has helped inform other
art historical analyses (such as of schools of painting, sculpture, and

The reason I'm just a bit skeptical about the claimed link with the Tree of
Life is that (a) the 9-rosette picture shows no obvious signs of having had
any additional pages attached, and (b) 10 seems to be a crucial number to
Kabbalists, and one that's not really negotiable downwards (think Moses). :-o

FWIW, if I was looking for Kabbala-inspired imagery in the VMS, I'd look
for things hidden within "non-herbal" herbal images - for example, f57r
[the start of Quire 8] has ten groups of leaves, f65v has ten "root lumps"
(call them what you will), f65r has two curiously looped branches, etc: and
then there are all those shared roots (f43r?, f46r?, f52r, etc. As for the
roots in f90v1.! .. you make up your own mind. :-o

Cheers, .....Nick Pelling.....

PS: do the roots in f55v look like an elephant to anyone else? :-9

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